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Open Board / Greros, gays, and "others" positive contributions to the World
« Last post by vincentdigrero on January 08, 2015, 06:30:33 AM »
Early, primitive man fascinates me because I like to think upon just how we figured it out and are still trying to figure it out. This post is mainly my opinion and I am not going to give any historical proof or documentation.

Recently I read on an internet website about early tribal societies in Africa. The article stated that in the hunter/gatherer societies that when the men and older boys went on a hunt or a battle with another tribe that if there was a more effeminate male or two in the tribe that the other men would leave such men with the women to help them and also maybe protect them a bit in case wrongdoers might stumble upon the village with nothing but women, children, and old folks. Of course we all know that primitive shamens/witch doctors were mainly homosexual. The key word here is mainly. In my opinion, homosexuals whether greros or gays have been quietly making significant contributions to all societies. I think we all intuitively know this. Many of the great minds, leaders (or leaders' aides), entertainers, artisans, doctors/nurses, athletes, and even theologians have greatly added to the betterment of society. On the other hand, there have been evildoers as well. Religion and other groups have been focusing on the bad. The official party line such groups is that homosexuality is ALL bad. Unfortunately we have gotten all the blame and little credit.

I don't know when the hatred all started with the early Christians or Catholic church, but I think somewhere in the Middle Ages. Possibly is all started in early Judaism when Abraham and Lot made the mistake of becoming residents at Sodom. At any rate, I think homosexuals have always been very firmly entrench in the Catholic church because they are very good at spiritual connections and they basically had no other place to go but the church. The Catholic church exercised a bit of compassion and with the celibacy dictate they took them in.

Recently, I saw the movie, "The Imitation Game" and found it very interesting. A great, homosexual mind invented the computer, so to speak. My computer is acting up a bit so I will close this post for now. Peace to all!
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Open Board / Re: Introduction
« Last post by andkon on January 06, 2015, 09:32:20 PM »
I think the reason so many "closet cases" hate man to man sexuality is they have a superstitious belief that any indulgence in this activity will transform a masculine man into a fairy queen.

Oh yeah, there's definitely that too! Same-sex sex for many means feminine. Hence why in the same graph I shunt off gay as its own category.

Instead, being around masculinity does the opposite -- it generates more masculinity. Like begats like. I have spent some time in straight, blue collar watering holes in my life and I can certainly attest to the fact that it brings out more masculinity. Also, I think there are varying degrees of masculinity. Thanks for the opportunity to use this forum as a sounding board.

No problem.
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Open Board / Re: Introduction
« Last post by vincentdigrero on January 06, 2015, 05:00:22 PM »
I think the reason so many "closet cases" hate man to man sexuality is they have a superstitious belief that any indulgence in this activity will transform a masculine man into a fairy queen. Instead, being around masculinity does the opposite -- it generates more masculinity. Like begats like. I have spent some time in straight, blue collar watering holes in my life and I can certainly attest to the fact that it brings out more masculinity. Also, I think there are varying degrees of masculinity. Thanks for the opportunity to use this forum as a sounding board.
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Open Board / Re: Introduction
« Last post by andkon on January 06, 2015, 04:02:11 PM »
Thanks for the praise. The graph I think you're referring to is in the video page for 0040: Kinsey Scale + Gender Scale: http://grero.com/forum/index.php?topic=87.0

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2. Heterosexual men who have never participated in any activity with another male but have always wanted to. This is where most of the haters come from.

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I have always wondered, "why so much hatred?" Religion cannot be blamed for all of this. My answer is that those "heterosexual" men want to fly under the radar and continue to do what has been done since the dawn of man.

The other question is: if not religion, where does the hatred from men in group #2 come from? If same-sex sex was socially-acceptable, those men could easily have sex thus no frustration and lashing out. It's culture that prohibits that and most of the anti-same-sex-sex has traditionally come from Christianity in the West.
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Open Board / Introduction
« Last post by vincentdigrero on January 06, 2015, 02:40:25 PM »
Thank you andkon for all of you brilliance and thought for the classification of grero. I have read all of the book and will probably re-read it a few time. A new term was desperately needed. I agree with you on may things.

I've maintained that homosexuality is a sliding scale of activity. My scale might coincide with your graph.

SCALE:

1. Heterosexual men who have never participated in any activity with another male and do not want to participate.
2. Heterosexual men who have never participated in any activity with another male but have always wanted to. This is where most of the haters come from.
3. Heterosexual men who have done something once or twice with another male for experimentation such as high school buddies.
4. Heterosexual men who have done something on an infrequent basis may once or twice a year. This is where bisexuality begins.
5. Bisexual men who have sex frequently such as once or twice a month.
6. Greros or gay men who have sex exclusively with men frequently or infrequently

Masculine men are my forte so I am grero. I have always wondered, "why so much hatred?" Religion cannot be blamed for all of this. My answer is that those "heterosexual" men want to fly under the radar and continue to do what has been done since the dawn of man. Blaming gays for all the ills of society of a good way to deflect the attention. It amazes me that we never hear too much about those bisexuals out there who inaccurately fall into the 3 to 5% of LGBT's. We all know this is not correct.

Keep up the good work andkon
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Open Board / Re: Johnny Rapid Interviews Rocco Reed
« Last post by andkon on December 23, 2014, 11:46:26 PM »
So andkon, is Rocco Reed a Grero then?

Well, he's masculine and has sex with other often masculine men so YES :-)
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Open Board / Re: bisexual potential
« Last post by andkon on December 23, 2014, 11:44:52 PM »
Well, what do you mean bisexual? Historically speaking, most men had no problems having sex with men. Culture has shifted so few men today have sex with other men.

Why do you say MOST men historically had no problems having sex with men?

I should rephrase that. In some cultures, most men had no problems. See the book and references. From that we can see the issue is culture not some biological innateness since there isn't much genetic difference between difference cultures.
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Open Board / Re: bisexual potential
« Last post by Johan on December 23, 2014, 09:13:08 AM »
Well, what do you mean bisexual? Historically speaking, most men had no problems having sex with men. Culture has shifted so few men today have sex with other men.

Why do you say MOST men historically had no problems having sex with men?
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Open Board / Re: Johnny Rapid Interviews Rocco Reed
« Last post by Johan on December 23, 2014, 09:11:45 AM »
So andkon, is Rocco Reed a Grero then?
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Der Eigene (Blog + Video) / Re: 0051: So we can all just turn straight by force of will?
« Last post by Johan on October 30, 2014, 12:43:42 PM »
I'm looking at my own pubes right now and there's no clear demarcation between leg hair and pubic hair. I suppose if you trimmed the pubes that'd still match.

I know that there's no demarcating line....IT'S A CONTINUUM!!!! Ha!
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