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XPlover

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Grero, continued
« on: December 02, 2016, 01:50:00 AM »
How about a thread further documenting the normalcy, social acceptance and ubiquity of homosexuality, in history and otherwise?

Anybody follow Listverse? The free email subscription brings you 3 daily lists of 10 wild facts about the world around us, much of it historical, with illustrations. It's sprinkled with considerable Grero material. The latest:

http://listverse.com/2016/12/01/10-facts-about-samurai-that-movies-usually-leave-out/
In feudal Japan, nothing made a man more of a sissy than spending a whole night sleeping with beautiful women.

Sex with women, the samurai believed, had a feminizing effect that weakened a man’s mind and body. The samurai married because they needed to further the family line, but they didn’t want to get carried away with it. If a samurai was caught kissing his wife in public, he was called a sissy.

That didn’t mean the samurai were celibate. Sex with women was a little fruity, but sex with men was incredibly macho. Homosexual sex, the samurai believed, just made you tougher than ever.


The page reports a lot of awful stuff about the samurai, but the above info is pure gold. Exactly how established was homosexuality in uniform around the ancient world? It's a 25-hour flight from Greece, ancient home of the Sacred Band, to Tokyo :-)

A shame this Forum is inactive. Let's change that!

andkon

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2016, 03:37:25 AM »
Interesting stuff... I didn't research much into Asia, though Homosexualities by Stephen O. Murray probably has some interesting chapters on Japan and China.

As far as forum (in)activity goes, that's unfortunate. There hasn't been that much interest in the book and the few videos I put up.

XPlover

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2016, 05:14:44 AM »
Must get a look at that book. Been meaning to access this one too -- remember when it came out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexualities:_A_Study_of_Diversity_Among_Men_and_Women

You might want to try some more formal video commentaries -- a simple but attractive set done up in your basement or whatever, wearing what we used to call school clothes/. Maybe a shirt and tie. I dig your backyard delivery and understand your earthy bluntness, but others might not. Your problem is that most gays are not into independent thought, or thought period. They don't want history or meaty statistics, they just want to party, get laid and seize more political/legal ground for themselves regardless what it costs anybody else. You challenge their paradigms, which is desperately needed.

Bring in some variety. Find out if author Murray would like to be interviewed -- etc. Just a few suggestions.

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2016, 06:07:49 PM »
Thanks, I've had those ideas, but the willpower just isn't there most of the time. :-/

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2016, 05:47:21 AM »
I agree with you XPlover. It's too bad that this great forum and website has not been more active. There are those of us who happen to be individuals and will not be defined by the LGBT status quo. We simply live our lives without having to be involved with the gay bar syndrome, liberalism, parades, and other outrageous activities. Most of my family and close friends who are "straight" know of my sexual orientation. It is pretty much a non-issue. Recently, I mentioned to a heterosexual woman that I am friends with that, "I would be up the creek if it were not my heterosexual friends." -- Meaning that I have very few homosexual friends. She said, "Well, I would be up the creek also without my gay friends."

XPlover

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2016, 07:45:03 AM »
Refreshing honesty. We must diligently (if often quietly) bust the reverse stereotypes dogmatically laid down by the self-appointed arbiters of gay power. They want an end to labels and clichés -- let's let 'em have it!

1960s button: How dare you assume I'm straight.

Motto needed today: How dare you assume I'm a lockstep liberal hedonist just because I'm gay.

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Re: Grero, continued
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 06:38:25 AM »
Have you seen the 2013 movie Leather, andkon? (Am I repeating myself.) It meets your stricter definition of Grero -- masculine likes masculine. Here the city hunk falls for the mountain man over his puerile, androgynous, multi-pierced boyfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQs21aXo36I

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2473718/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 04:01:51 AM »
Have you seen the 2013 movie Leather, andkon? (Am I repeating myself.) It meets your stricter definition of Grero -- masculine likes masculine. Here the city hunk falls for the mountain man over his puerile, androgynous, multi-pierced boyfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQs21aXo36I

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2473718/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Nope, but I will... sometime. I'll try to respond to your other posts in the next few days as well.