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XPlover:
How about a thread further documenting the normalcy, social acceptance and ubiquity of homosexuality, in history and otherwise?

Anybody follow Listverse? The free email subscription brings you 3 daily lists of 10 wild facts about the world around us, much of it historical, with illustrations. It's sprinkled with considerable Grero material. The latest:

http://listverse.com/2016/12/01/10-facts-about-samurai-that-movies-usually-leave-out/
In feudal Japan, nothing made a man more of a sissy than spending a whole night sleeping with beautiful women.

Sex with women, the samurai believed, had a feminizing effect that weakened a man’s mind and body. The samurai married because they needed to further the family line, but they didn’t want to get carried away with it. If a samurai was caught kissing his wife in public, he was called a sissy.

That didn’t mean the samurai were celibate. Sex with women was a little fruity, but sex with men was incredibly macho. Homosexual sex, the samurai believed, just made you tougher than ever.

The page reports a lot of awful stuff about the samurai, but the above info is pure gold. Exactly how established was homosexuality in uniform around the ancient world? It's a 25-hour flight from Greece, ancient home of the Sacred Band, to Tokyo :-)

A shame this Forum is inactive. Let's change that!

andkon:
Interesting stuff... I didn't research much into Asia, though Homosexualities by Stephen O. Murray probably has some interesting chapters on Japan and China.

As far as forum (in)activity goes, that's unfortunate. There hasn't been that much interest in the book and the few videos I put up.

XPlover:
Must get a look at that book. Been meaning to access this one too -- remember when it came out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexualities:_A_Study_of_Diversity_Among_Men_and_Women

You might want to try some more formal video commentaries -- a simple but attractive set done up in your basement or whatever, wearing what we used to call school clothes/. Maybe a shirt and tie. I dig your backyard delivery and understand your earthy bluntness, but others might not. Your problem is that most gays are not into independent thought, or thought period. They don't want history or meaty statistics, they just want to party, get laid and seize more political/legal ground for themselves regardless what it costs anybody else. You challenge their paradigms, which is desperately needed.

Bring in some variety. Find out if author Murray would like to be interviewed -- etc. Just a few suggestions.

andkon:
Thanks, I've had those ideas, but the willpower just isn't there most of the time. :-/

vincentdigrero:
I agree with you XPlover. It's too bad that this great forum and website has not been more active. There are those of us who happen to be individuals and will not be defined by the LGBT status quo. We simply live our lives without having to be involved with the gay bar syndrome, liberalism, parades, and other outrageous activities. Most of my family and close friends who are "straight" know of my sexual orientation. It is pretty much a non-issue. Recently, I mentioned to a heterosexual woman that I am friends with that, "I would be up the creek if it were not my heterosexual friends." -- Meaning that I have very few homosexual friends. She said, "Well, I would be up the creek also without my gay friends."

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