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Ha, great find, thanks!

SSA, andkon?

Same-sex attracted. Not a fan of homosexuality/bisexuality as a label, many don't identify that way, etc.

Good question. I wrote Grero thinking that somehow I could find or link like-minded people (masculine, smart, independent, etc). Unfortunately, outside of the few posters here and emails, nothing has come of it. Big disappointment, to say the least! There just isn't the audience for it that I thought was lurking there.

Guy seems very paranoid. A lot of SSA guys are in reality feminine but want to appear masculine. Maybe it's just that he "thou protest too much." If it's in an area not open to SSA, it could also be that he is genuinely masculine but doesn't want to face the negative repercussions.

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Have you seen the 2013 movie Leather, andkon? (Am I repeating myself.) It meets your stricter definition of Grero -- masculine likes masculine. Here the city hunk falls for the mountain man over his puerile, androgynous, multi-pierced boyfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQs21aXo36I

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2473718/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Nope, but I will... sometime. I'll try to respond to your other posts in the next few days as well.

Thanks, I've had those ideas, but the willpower just isn't there most of the time. :-/

Interesting stuff... I didn't research much into Asia, though Homosexualities by Stephen O. Murray probably has some interesting chapters on Japan and China.

As far as forum (in)activity goes, that's unfortunate. There hasn't been that much interest in the book and the few videos I put up.

Thanks! Oh, and we have a new post here.

It doesn't really matter. If you have a single area with a large bisexual potential, that shows that exclusive heterosexuality is not really genetic/hormonal/innate or anything but cultural.
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Exclusive heterosexuality or exclusive monosexuality?

Just exclusive heterosexuality. No one claims that most are homosexual, the split is more like 95-5 today. So if you find an area with a majority that's bisexual, heterosexuality cannot really be exclusive for most innately. But that doesn't speak to the origins (biological or cultural) of exclusive same-sex attractions.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm wondering if my attraction to men in general stems from the fact that I didn't feel very loved by my father. Has any research been done on this?

What men are you most comfortable with?

The science or psychology of sexual orientation is interesting since such father/mother theories have gone out the window. It's all about biology now. Unfortunately, science has forgotten culture, namely that before Christianity there were areas where exclusive heterosexuality did not reign supreme.

Most just go along with the heterosexuality. What sort of women they find attractive probably has some early childhood
influences, as everything else. Now, why are some of us attracted to men? It could be paternal bonding issues. For me, I just never really saw the logic in not being attracted to people with whom I had more in common (other men). In middle and high school, I was supposed to like all the things other guys like (check!) but not like those other guys. How does that make any sense? You shall like Activity A-Z, but NONE of the people who also like them, we have commanded even though you like your own penis but if they're attached to others it's evil to like them! Yeah, whatever. Girls (whose activities I'm not supposed to like) I am supposed to like exclusively. What??

Is this it? http://encinoman.wikia.com/wiki/Cro-magnon_man

Maybe it's late, but I don't get it...

2. That is not 100% true. Yes, some of those are bisexual, gay or mostly straight. The idea that homophobes are just simply gays or one of those is complete bullshit. I mean, if they were, then why would they be homophobic? Why would all of  them be against themselves? Where would this self-hatred come from?

It's called a reaction formation, it's an old concept in psychology: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201405/reaction-formation-against-porn

Sorry to hear about family issues. It's a shame people closest to us can sometimes be the cruelest. Feel free to write about these or other matters here!

1.Given that probably most males in ancient Greece and Roman engaged in same sex sex, that's not in dispute, at least on this site. :-)


2.I've heard about this movie, so now I'll have to see it for sure.

1.Are you 100% sure this was the case throughout Ancient Greece? Or not just its city states?

It doesn't really matter. If you have a single area with a large bisexual potential, that shows that exclusive heterosexuality is not really genetic/hormonal/innate or anything but cultural.

_{Also, vincentdigrero's post shows " « Last Edit: Today at 11:55:15 AM by andkon »" I fixed a quote tag that wasn't working right.}

In my opinion, homosexuals whether greros or gays have been quietly making significant contributions to all societies.

Given that probably most males in ancient Greece and Roman engaged in same sex sex, that's not in dispute, at least on this site. :-)

I don't know when the hatred all started with the early Christians or Catholic church, but I think somewhere in the Middle Ages.

I did not include this in the book, but when states become bigger and richer, during the Middle Ages, there was more prosecution of same-sex sex. Before then, everything was a lot more decentralized so you couldn't have a single ruler issuing this and that. With that said, persecution of same-sex sex began right after Christians took over Rome, especially by Theodosius after 390. That's in Chapter 10: http://grero.com/#_Toc347564552

Recently, I saw the movie, "The Imitation Game" and found it very interesting. A great, homosexual mind invented the computer, so to speak. My computer is acting up a bit so I will close this post for now. Peace to all!

I've heard about this movie, so now I'll have to see it for sure.